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@Zefz: Installing a newer driver didn't help at all. To the contrary, it killed off Direct Draw as well...
Either all the drivers for my graphics card suck really hard, or I'm a total noob and installed the wrong driver.
Either way, I reverted back to the driver I've been using all the time now...
By the way, there is no vcredist_x89.exe in the package you uploaded. However, Egoboo runs even though this means that I currently have no such package installed at all.
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I also have the same problem as feenfleisch, a window containing the egoboo curser pops up, but almost instantly closes again, without leaving a task or any other noticable change.
Try this package. It should contain the redist package (remember to uninstall any existing one first!). It contains the binary that's not compiled with LUA.
http://www.2shared.com/file/5647283/958 ... RY-20.html


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Wait what? SDL_console? I have no such library! I did see it in the additional library list in your project solution, but I thought it was obsolete when replaced with the LUA console you coded yourself.

This is my debug binary. Note that I don't use debug dll's and have a 64-bit OS.

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'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\Egoboo2x.exe', Symbols loaded.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kernel32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kernel32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kernel32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\shlwapi.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\gdi32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\user32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\advapi32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\rpcrt4.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\secur32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\msvcrt.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\shfolder.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\SDL.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\winmm.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.VC90.CRT_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.1_x-ww_6f74963e\msvcr90.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\opengl32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\glu32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ddraw.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\dciman32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ws2_32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ws2help.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\SDL_ttf.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\SDL_mixer.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\SDL_image.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.VC90.DebugCRT_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.21022.8_x-ww_597c3456\msvcr90d.dll', Symbols loaded.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\imm32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\shell32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\wow64_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.3790.3959_x-ww_5FA17F4E\comctl32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\shell32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\MSCTF.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\version.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\version.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\apphelp.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\MSCTFIME.IME'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ole32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kbdus.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kbdus.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kbdno.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kbdno.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\nvogl32.dll'
The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0xbdc) has exited with code 0 (0x0).
The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x464) has exited with code 0 (0x0).
The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x354) has exited with code 0 (0x0).
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\mcd32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\mcd32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\dinput.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\hid.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\setupapi.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wintrust.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\crypt32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\msasn1.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\imagehlp.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\dsound.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\version.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\msacm32.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\msacm32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\midimap.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ksuser.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libvorbisfile-3.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libogg-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libvorbis-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\oleaut32.dll'
Here is the Release binary, I think it's the same: [code]'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\Egoboo2x.exe', Symbols loaded.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kernel32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kernel32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kernel32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\shlwapi.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\gdi32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\user32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\advapi32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\rpcrt4.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\secur32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\msvcrt.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\shfolder.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\SDL.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\winmm.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.VC90.CRT_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_9.0.30729.1_x-ww_6f74963e\msvcr90.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\opengl32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\glu32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ddraw.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\dciman32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ws2_32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ws2help.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\SDL_ttf.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\SDL_mixer.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\SDL_image.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\imm32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\shell32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\wow64_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.3790.3959_x-ww_5FA17F4E\comctl32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\shell32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\MSCTF.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\version.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\version.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\apphelp.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\MSCTFIME.IME'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ole32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kbdus.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kbdus.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kbdno.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\kbdno.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\nvogl32.dll'
The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x4b0) has exited with code 0 (0x0).
The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x540) has exited with code 0 (0x0).
The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x8ac) has exited with code 0 (0x0).
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\mcd32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\mcd32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\dinput.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\hid.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\setupapi.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wintrust.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\crypt32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\msasn1.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\imagehlp.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\dsound.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\version.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\wdmaud.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\msacm32.drv'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\msacm32.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\midimap.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\ksuser.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libvorbisfile-3.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libogg-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libvorbis-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll', Binary was not built with debug information.
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\libpng12-0.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Unloaded 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\Programmering\Egoboo 2.7.x\zlib1.dll'
'Egoboo2x.exe': Loaded 'C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\oleaut32.dll'
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Post by Odin »

installed the vcredist you gave me, uninstalled any other vc versions that i still had installed, however the problem is still persistent. Could the problem be related to widescreen settings of my desctop? I didn't have problems with older egoboo versions though.
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Post by bgbirdsey »

You should NOT have SDL_console because it is not used. However you probably placed this in the list of links at some point manually, which means that you would have to remove it manually...

I always have some problems when I go from a debug config to a release config, because lots of the settings are not shared... :P
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Post by Feenfleisch »

i install your new vcredist, uninstall the old before but i have the same problem. odin welcome in the club *cry*
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Post by bgbirdsey »

It could possibly be a 64 bit compatability problem? I'm not sure that the lua code is 64-bit compatible... Try compiling with 64-bit warnings turned on? :)
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Post by Odin »

i didnt compile the source code, i used the binaries Zefz send me.
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Post by Zefz »

There are 64-bit LUA libraries, but they are for building a 64-bit binary. I've checked with Dependency Walker and all the libraries seem fine.

Another interesting fact is that Clonkinator ran Egoboo without vcredist_x89.exe! This means we do not need this redist package anymore. The problem Odin and Feenfleisch are having are however related to something else. The binary crashes for them as soon the game starts running.

Have you tried modifying setup.txt? Make sure that Color Depth is set to 32.
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Post by Odin »

Thank you Zefz, brilliant just brilliant, i checked for screen resolution and some other things but i didnt think about that^^, the game works fine now. And you might want to put up a note for vista users that the default color depth is 24, when using svn. Another question, does this svn version include hotseat modus?
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Post by penguinflyer5234 »

Zefz wrote:Another interesting fact is that Clonkinator ran Egoboo without vcredist_x89.exe!
Lol, there isn't a x89 processor, sorry. (try x86 instead)
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Post by Feenfleisch »

@Zefz THX You are bigger than Jesus!
@penguinflyer5234 I see a Dotcor Who Fan :D
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Post by Zefz »

Yes, Hotseat is added in the SVN version!

Ah, I see that the color depth is causing problems still. I will make a quick fix in the source that forces 32 bit (no matter what setup.txt says). Maybe I will even remove the value from setup.txt.

That will avoid future problems with this issue.
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Post by penguinflyer2222 »

[offtopic]
Feenfleisch wrote:@penguinflyer5234 I see a Dotcor Who Fan :D
We like Doctor Who. We like Ike. Who is Ike anyway? :lol:[/offtopic]
Zefz wrote:Yes, Hotseat is added in the SVN version!
Yay. We like Zefz. :mrgreen:
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penguinflyer2222 wrote:
Zefz wrote:Yes, Hotseat is added in the SVN version!
Yay. We like Zefz. :mrgreen:
Thank birdsey for this, not me :) He has done a lot of great work on the SVN lately. :clap:
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Post by penguinflyer2222 »

Zefz wrote:
penguinflyer2222 wrote:
Zefz wrote:Yes, Hotseat is added in the SVN version!
Yay. We like Zefz. :mrgreen:
Thank birdsey for this, not me :) He has done a lot of great work on the SVN lately. :clap:
Aah! You used the clappy smiley! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
We like birdsey! And we still like Zefz. And Ike. Whoever he is.

@Zefz: Join the fun evilness of the chat room? Staring pf5234, ChanServ, pf2222, BenUrban, and kettlechip?
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